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Windows Server Forum / Security / General Topics / October 2005Windows chokes on latest Microsoft patch
I guess the "shortage" of hardware for Xbox 360 is taking up too much resources :-( Some computer administrators are reporting issues with Microsoft's latest security update which is designed to fix a critical flaw in Windows. The SANS Internet Storm Centre warned that in some cases security update MS05-051 will cause a host of problems, including blocking access to the Microsoft update website, displaying a blank log-in screen without icons, and issues with Office applications. A Microsoft spokeswoman confirmed the glitch to vnunet.com, explaining that the problems are "isolated deployment issues" and that the company is working with the affected users to resolve the issue. http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2143954/windows-chokes-latest-microsoft Imhotep Such is the nature of software updates.  SignatureSvyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- > I guess the "shortage" of hardware for Xbox 360 is taking up too much > resources :-( [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Imhotep S. Pidgorny wrote: > Such is the nature of software updates. Correction: Such is the nature of sh*tty software updates... Imhotep > S. Pidgorny wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Imhotep ..also, that *was* the patch that was held back for *another* thirty days because of "quality" issues. Seems like people waited, and were vulnerable, for nothing. Good job MS!!! Imhotep > > Such is the nature of software updates. > Correction: Such is the nature of sh*tty software updates... Incorrect. If you cannot test all the configurations out there and you have install base of more than a million users, there will be problems for some - and in case of the new patch, the impacted user base isn't that big, and Microsoft is doing what's necessary to support them. You might not know it, but support for MS security updates is _free_, and MS already identified the common cause of grief in the latest case. Compared to my experience updating some of Linux systems, it is quite good. SignatureSvyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, RHCE -= F1 is the key =- S. Pidgorny wrote: >> > Such is the nature of software updates. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > some - and in case of the new patch, the impacted user base isn't that > big, and Microsoft is doing what's necessary to support them. What the hell are you smoking? MS dropped the ball, yet again. Even though they charge top dollar, give sh*tty tech support, insist on being inoperable with other OSes, are a virus magnet (but you *will* be able to buy their anti-virus soon) and are a spyware magnet (oh, yea, of an extra fee, they will fix that problem too) > You might > not know it, but support for MS security updates is _free_, ...and you honestly think they *should* charge you for fixing *their* problems...oh my God you a fool. > and MS already > identified the common cause of grief in the latest case. Compared to my > experience updating some of Linux systems, it is quite good. Bullcrap. You are talking out of your butt again. I have been updating linux/Unix systems for 10 years and have only had 1 problem. Can you say the same? Thought not. Imhotep Imhotep I have been installing and updating DOS and Windows systems for 18 years, and I have *never* had a problem with a patch. Do I win? Byron Hynes Windows Server Microsoft Corporation http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes >> Bullcrap. You are talking out of your butt again. I have been updating > linux/Unix systems for 10 years and have only had 1 problem. Can you > say the same? Thought not. > > Imhotep > Imhotep > I have been installing and updating DOS and Windows systems for 18 years, > and I have *never* had a problem with a patch. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Windows Server > Microsoft Corporation Sure you win the "luckiest man" award for their are millions that would disagree with you. Your patch quality is pathetic. Should we discuss your failures in patch history? I'm game. I think you would be wise to avoid that discussion... Imhotep I'm sure there would be a bad linux install somewhere in the universe, too. My "failures in patch history"? I'd happily engage in any constructive debate, conversation or engagement with a customer; but you don't seem to want constructive debate or to work on building change. And did you also say you don't buy/use Microsoft products? And lastly, how can any discussion be avoided when you keep interjecting it (or your version of it), into dozens of threads, many of them being ones to which it is not related. Byron Hynes Windows Server Microsoft Corporation http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes > Sure you win the "luckiest man" award for their are millions that > would disagree with you. Your patch quality is pathetic. Should we > discuss your failures in patch history? I'm game. I think you would be > wise to avoid that discussion... > I'm sure there would be a bad linux install somewhere in the universe, > too. What does Linux have to do with this? First stick to the topic then we can talk about Linux or Apple or whatever. > My "failures in patch history"? I'd happily engage in any constructive > debate, conversation or engagement with a customer; but you don't seem to > want constructive debate or to work on building change. No not *YOUR* failures, Microsoft's failures in patches... > And did you also > say you don't buy/use Microsoft products? Not anymore, I have learned from past mistakes. > And lastly, how can any discussion be avoided when you keep interjecting > it (or your version of it), into dozens of threads, many of them being > ones to which it is not related. Subjective question. Not worth debating. So I have answered all of your questions and I find myself still waiting for you to answer mine. Imhotep > Byron Hynes > Windows Server [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> discuss your failures in patch history? I'm game. I think you would be >> wise to avoid that discussion... > I have been installing and updating DOS and Windows systems for 18 > years, and I have *never* had a problem with a patch. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Windows Server > Microsoft Corporation You don't use Outlook Express, do you? SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/default.aspx http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/ No, that's true, I do not. Byron Hynes Windows Server Microsoft Corporation http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes > You don't use Outlook Express, do you? > No, that's true, I do not. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >> You don't use Outlook Express, do you? I won't go into the history in detail in the newsgroup, but there were two different patches that screwed up OE for essentially everybody. BTW, my From is valid but not Reply To. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/default.aspx http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/ I can honestly say that I have been patching 300 plus Windows servers monthly for the past two years. I have yet to have a patch cause a problem with a production server. M$ has done an excellent job in the time that I have been patching servers. I may yet have a problem with MS05-051 but even if I do one problem in two years is alot better than anyone would expect. Maybe they should produce software that doesn't need patched so often but their patches have indeed been good as of recent. > S. Pidgorny wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Imhotep > Imhotep > I can honestly say that I have been patching 300 plus Windows servers > monthly for the past two years. I have yet to have a patch cause a problem [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> Imhotep >> Imhotep Luck can only take you so far... Imhotep > > I can honestly say that I have been patching 300 plus Windows servers > > monthly for the past two years. I have yet to have a patch cause a problem [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > expect. Maybe they should produce software that doesn't need patched so > > often but their patches have indeed been good as of recent. <<generous snip>> > Luck can only take you so far... > > Imhotep ... and trolling can only take /you/ so far. Are you unable allow for the possibility that someone can properly manage a secure and functional Windows network? -- MK I'm curious what you would consider an acceptable failure rate to be in any manufacturing or engineering process, especially those that are not engineered for use in life-critical situations. Byron Hynes Windows Server Microsoft Corporation http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes > S. Pidgorny wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Imhotep > I'm curious what you would consider an acceptable failure rate to be in > any manufacturing or engineering process, especially those that are not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Imhotep I would expect for the endless amounts of money people pay to Microsoft that they would do a job worthy of the price tag (billions a year) that your company demands from it's customers. I would expect that Microsoft would focus on it Software, which is how it became the richest company in the World, rather than the stupid XBox 360. I would expect that Microsoft would stop trying to make their software inoperable with other companies just because they are a competitor and focus on the overall quality instead. Any other questions? Imhotep I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the question I posed. Byron Hynes Windows Server Microsoft Corporation http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes >> I'm curious what you would consider an acceptable failure rate to be >> in any manufacturing or engineering process, especially those that [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Imhotep > I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the question I posed. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes Nothing you can possibly say will satisfy him. SignatureFrank Saunders, MS-MVP OE Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/default.aspx http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/ In article <#QCMTSv1FHA.3864@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, in the microsoft.public.security news group, Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE <franksaunders@mvps.org> says... > > I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the question I posed. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nothing you can possibly say will satisfy him. Yup, he's just a troll and not a very good one at that. SignaturePaul Adare MVP - Windows - Virtual Machine http://www.identit.ca/blogs/paul/ "The English language, complete with irony, satire, and sarcasm, has survived for centuries without smileys. Only the new crop of modern computer geeks finds it impossible to detect a joke that is not clearly labeled as such." Ray Shea > In article <#QCMTSv1FHA.3864@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, in the > microsoft.public.security news group, Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yup, he's just a troll and not a very good one at that. Troll? Hum, lets' review the questions I have asked. I would expect for the endless amounts of money people pay to Microsoft that they would do a job worthy of the price tag (billions a year) that your company demands from it's customers. I would expect that Microsoft would focus on it Software, which is how it became the richest company in the World, rather than the stupid XBox 360. I would expect that Microsoft would stop trying to make their software inoperable with other companies just because they are a competitor and focus on the overall quality instead. These are very honest questions. In fact, these are the type of questions that the majority of MS users have been asking for some time. Why do you fear answering them? Why do you fear the truth? I find it quite lame that none of you even attempted to answer any of the questions. Again, more misdirection by simply labling someone a troll (and hoping that no one here noticed that you did not answer anything). This is a very old technique that not too many people fall for any more. Sorry. So, I guess your definition of a troll is when someone asks a difficult question that requires a truthful and an honest answer. In that case yup, I am a troll and a proud one. Imhotep G'day: > Troll? Hum, lets' review the questions I have asked. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > These are very honest questions. None of these are questions. And nothing we can possibly say will satisfy you. Coz you're a troll! SignatureSvyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- S. Pidgorny wrote: > G'day: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > None of these are questions. And nothing we can possibly say will satisfy > you. Coz you're a troll! You tell me you can't do better than name calling? How pathetic. How typical. Imhotep But, why do you continue trolling? | S. Pidgorny wrote: | [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] | | Imhotep > But, why do you continue trolling? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > | > | Imhotep Why are you starting? I'm just looking for my questions to be answered by all of you MVPs and all you guys seem to be able to do is call people names. How patetic you really are.... >> I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the question I posed. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nothing you can possibly say will satisfy him. I am easily satisfied by the truth. Try it sometime. Imhotep I am not surprise that you were trying to misdirect people into that very old and tired excuse of "acceptable failure". BS! Another feeble attempt of misdirection. More Winlies and Winmisdirections. When you look at the overall track record of your company and it's products one starts to think of a third world dictatorship. Where the dictator cares more of his power and control then the very people that *gave* the power and control to him. And why does a dictator do this? Because he can. However, dictatorships are funny. They last for sometime until the people oust dictatorship and learn from their mistakes. Your time is coming. Do you feel the pressure? tick-tock, tick-tock.... Now, try answering my questions: I would expect for the endless amounts of money people pay to Microsoft that they would do a job worthy of the price tag (billions a year) that your company demands from it's customers. I would expect that Microsoft would focus on it Software, which is how it became the richest company in the World, rather than the stupid XBox 360. I would expect that Microsoft would stop trying to make their software inoperable with other companies just because they are a competitor and focus on the overall quality instead. Imhotep > I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the question I posed. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >> Imhotep > Now, try answering my questions: > I would expect for the endless amounts of money people pay to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > inoperable with other companies just because they are a competitor and > focus on the overall quality instead. Please use the commonly accepted standard of indicating a interrogative phrase (aka a "question") by ending the phrase with a question mark. As has been pointed out, these are statements and expectations, not questions. But to address them more specifically, you are welcome to become a major shareholder and/or a major customer, both of whom play important roles in turning "expectations" into marching orders for people like me. Many of our people have spoken, blogged and "webcasted" about how we metric quality and drive process improvement, if anyone else is seriously looking for that information, they can ping me, too. > However, dictatorships are funny. They last for sometime until the > people oust dictatorship and learn from their mistakes. Feel free to purchase better software at a lower price. I have never suggested anyone pay higher prices for things that do not work as well. If you have found better software at a lower price, I am unclear why you care what Microsoft does. I drive a Chevy. I don't care how good the service department at the local Toyota dealer is. I any case, I agree that nothing will satisfy you. Therefore, I'm not going to reply again on this thread in public. If that means you got "the last word", so be it. I let the newsgroup return to helping real people with honest problems. You know how to reach me directly. I post using a real name, and you can just remove "online" from the email address. Byron Hynes Windows Server Microsoft Corporation http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes >> Now, try answering my questions: >> I would expect for the endless amounts of money people pay to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > has been pointed out, these are statements and expectations, not > questions. These are statements illustrating expections that are not meet. Inferring the question of "why". > But to address them more specifically, you are welcome to become a major > shareholder and/or a major customer, both of whom play important roles in > turning "expectations" into marching orders for people like me. So, what you are saying is that I must be a "major shareholder or customer" to expect my monies worth? So, home users are clearly not your focus at all? For your information, that arrogance is exactly why people are leaving you. It is perfectly acceptable for your customers to expect they are getting a quality product and if you need "marching orders" to understand that, Microsoft is in really bad shape. > Many of > our people have spoken, blogged and "webcasted" about how we metric > quality and drive process improvement, if anyone else is seriously looking > for that information, they can ping me, too. >> However, dictatorships are funny. They last for sometime until the >> people oust dictatorship and learn from their mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what Microsoft does. I drive a Chevy. I don't care how good the service > department at the local Toyota dealer is. Your are misdirecting the question again. I will restate it. The problem is that people are paying top dollar for your software and services but are not get top dollar quality. Why? Why can't the richest company on the planet get a patch right? Especially after holding it off for additional 30 days because of "quality" issues only to release a crappy patch anyway. > I any case, I agree that nothing will satisfy you. Therefore, I'm not > going to reply again on this thread in public. If that means you got "the > last word", so be it. I let the newsgroup return to helping real people > with honest problems. There you go again *not* answering the question and desperately trying to avoid answering any real questions. Do you MS guys ever tell the truth? Do you think your users are really *that* stupid as to not notice that you have talked a lot without answering anything? > You know how to reach me directly. I post using a real name, and you can > just remove "online" from the email address. If you can not answer basic questions for your users in a public forum why would you think I would email you? Will you only be honest in private? > Byron Hynes > Windows Server > Microsoft Corporation > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/byronphynes Imhotep Imhotep > I guess the "shortage" of hardware for Xbox 360 is taking up too much > resources :-( [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Imhotep Hi, It happens to systems that have changed the default Access Control List permissions on the %windir%\registration directory, more here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909444 Signaturetorgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/default.mspx |
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