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NT doesn't detect proper video chip on laptop

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Chuck - 19 Jan 2005 16:23 GMT
Can someone help?   I've tried everything I can think of, to no avail.

My wife has a laptop with NT on it.  I had to reinstall NT after a 3rd party
USB add-on failed and messed up the OS. (it took away the no keyboard and
mouse!)
When I reinstalled NT,  NT decided to use the default video driver, even
though the correct driver was still on the disk.

No matter what I tried, NT refuses to 1) use the driver I specify, and 2)
find the driver itself.

What registry setting can I set to force NT to use the driver I specify AND
keep NT from looking for a different driver each time NT boots?

FYI: the computer is a 'Lapnote' from the Laptop superstore. It's a P5-150.
       The video chip is a Trident Cyber 9385 / TGUI9660

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Chuck
the fly - 19 Jan 2005 19:04 GMT
>Can someone help?   I've tried everything I can think of, to no avail.
>
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>
>Chuck

    NT will not "detect" the video adaptor by itself.  You must
direct it to the driver.  Open the Display applet in Control Panel,
and install the driver manually.
Chuck - 20 Jan 2005 00:41 GMT
I've already done that.
The selected doesn't load.  The computer reboots then NT selects the wrong
driver.
It is as though NT can't figure what chipset the video is composed of, and
grabs the default vga driver at boot time.

Using the 'last known good configuration' doesn't work either.

I need to tell NT to use a specific driver, and not to look for any other.

> >Can someone help?   I've tried everything I can think of, to no avail.
> >
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> direct it to the driver.  Open the Display applet in Control Panel,
> and install the driver manually.
Calvin - 20 Jan 2005 03:52 GMT
Hi Chuck,

What Service Pack level is the NT 4.0 installation at ?   MANY video chip
drivers require SP3 (in some cases as high as SP6) before they will function.
What you are describing is the symptoms of this type of situation - although the
correct driver for the specific video chip have been installed, NT4 refuses to
use it and defaults to the 'vanilla' VGA driver :-(

Hope this info helps.

Calvin.
Jack Deacon - 24 Jan 2005 08:57 GMT
This is the exact same problem I've got on one of my laptops at the moment. I
had NT4 SP4, and upgraded to SP6; which was fine. Installed the additional
updates (Q29944i) and NT kept reverting back to the VGA mode, even after I'd
reselected and even reinstalled the correct video drivers. Tried reinstalling
a different video driver, and NT then refused to even boot up.

I've just repaired the NT installation from an NT CD; i'm going to reinstall
the correct drivers and then try the update to SP6 again (without the
additional updates this time).
Jack Deacon - 24 Jan 2005 10:09 GMT
Hurrah! This worked fine....

>I've just repaired the NT installation from an NT CD; i'm going to reinstall
>the correct drivers and then try the update to SP6 again (without the
>additional updates this time).

... after using the NT CD to repair the installation of the OS, it stayed in
VGA mode. I re-installed SP6, and after restarting, it magically came back
using the proper drivers (even without me having to re-install them again as
I thought I would have to). I've not attemtped to install the additional
updates - I don't fancy pushing my luck *just* yet! :0)
Calvin - 24 Jan 2005 22:26 GMT
Hi Jack,

So let me get this straight - It was working with a chip specific video driver -
then you applied hotfixes and it fell back to VGA ?

If this is the case, I would be looking at what exactly has been changed on the
system that cause the video driver to fail.

Anyway, I'll await a reply from you, and then see where it leads us :-)

Cslvin.
Jack Deacon - 25 Jan 2005 11:05 GMT
Hi Calvin,

Yes, that's pretty much it - originally, with SP4 everything was fine. After
updating to SP6 it was still ok, but after the hotfixes it stopped working
and reverted to VGA. I tried a few different drivers for the card, but no
luck.

After a repair of the NT installation using the NT CD, the VGA drivers were
still being used. I then applied the SP6 update and after the restart the
computer was using the manufacturer's drivers, without me having to
re-install them or do anything. I've not attempted to re-apply the hotfixes
yet, although I might do to try and  confirm whether it was these that caused
the problem in the first place...

(Machine is a Dell CPx H500GT laptop; with an ATi Rage Mobility M1 gfx chip)

-Jack

> Hi Jack,
>
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>
> Cslvin.
Calvin - 25 Jan 2005 11:27 GMT
Hi Jack,

Interesting - i can't say I've ever heard of anyone having the problem you are
suggesting, but I suppose it had to happen to somebody eventually :-(

Might I suggest that when you get around to rolling out all of the Post SP6a SRP
and the LONG list of hotfixes, you might want to employ a tool like FileImg from
the NT4 resource kit, so you can keep a close eye on what files are being
replaced on your system at each step - it may help narrow down what is going on
here.....

Calvin.
Karl-Stephan Werkmeister - 26 Jan 2005 08:31 GMT
> Hi Jack,
>
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> If this is the case, I would be looking at what exactly has been changed on the
> system that cause the video driver to fail.

[...]

Maybe there is a 3rd-party software like pcAnywhere installed?
This or any other software that
a) has to handle with the system policies
b) tries to hook into the video driver
might cause these troubles after installing SP/RSP/HOTFIX-(e)s!?

Stephan
Calvin - 26 Jan 2005 09:53 GMT
Good point Stephan !

I hadn't considered 'Remote Access / Control' apps (like PCAnywhere) but they
too would be candidates for causing the effects that Jack is describing.

Calvin.
Jack Deacon - 26 Jan 2005 12:05 GMT
Hmm... I hadn't thought of that either. I've had a look on the laptop and
there's no remote access software installed that I can see (Its an MOD owned
laptop so even if there was any remote access utilities it'd be a breach of
our security regulations!), so I don't think thats an issue.

-Jack
 
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