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Windows Server Forum / Small Business Server / SBS 2000 / September 2008Best Method to Migrate to SBS2003 with New Hardware?
We are getting a new SBS2003 R2 Dell Server with preconfigured RAID 1 for OS and RAID 5 for rest. We have a SBS2000 Server that's dying (we think). Any suggestions on the best way to migrate AD, Exchange, ISA, data files? Exchange is around 14GB. Server support 15-20 XP clients. We do not use DHCP. We are looking in to Swing IT from sbsmigration but leary of support as we may have to do over weekend. And we do not have a 3rd server to use as a TempDC Thanks Yes, the swing method is your best bet. The big advantage of swing (one of it's primary aims) is that you can migrate the AD to the new server while the old is still in operation (let's say, during the week, when support [Jeff] is most availabe). If you realy insist on performing the actual replacement 'out of hours' you can get the target to a point where it is _almost certainly_ operational before actually dropping it into place. Many people (me included) use some form of virtual environment for the 'swing server', VMWare or VPC (I doubt you have 2008 and Hyper-V :-) on a workstation work fine for this as it is a very basic installation, just enough of windows to get a copy of AD. Why do you make your life hard by not using DHCP? > We are getting a new SBS2003 R2 Dell Server with preconfigured RAID 1 > for OS and RAID 5 for rest. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks > Yes, the swing method is your best bet. The big advantage of swing (one of > it's primary aims) is that you can migrate the AD to the new server while [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Why not the ADMT offered by Microsoft in their Migration whitepaper...are there problems with it? You asked for 'best method', that's what you got. On Sep 2, 4:16 pm, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote: > Yes, the swing method is your best bet. The big advantage of swing (one of > it's primary aims) is that you can migrate the AD to the new server while [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Why not the ADMT offered by Microsoft in their Migration whitepaper...are there problems with it? > You asked for 'best method', that's what you got. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Why not the ADMT offered by Microsoft in their Migration > whitepaper...are there problems with it? lacking simplicity and cost effectiveness (work effort).  Signature/kj On Sep 2, 4:59 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote: > > You asked for 'best method', that's what you got. > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What? Not sure what you mean here... > On Sep 2, 4:59 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > What? Not sure what you mean here... The ADMT method is neither simple nor cost effective (as compared to a swing-it aqpproach) for migrations the scale of SBS. Signature/kj > You asked for 'best method', that's what you got. > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Any specific problems with ADMT? That is, what did you do before "Swing It"? Also, we do not necessarily have to keep old server name or old domain name... What about the lack of support for "Swing It"? Also, it would be nice to see the documentation for the product or is the product just a document to read and no software to run specific tasks? The website is not that informative... Can we use an XP Pro PC on the current domain for the temp DC??? >> You asked for 'best method', that's what you got. >> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Can we use an XP Pro PC on the current domain for the temp DC??? You can use anything that can act as an Active Directory Domain Controller for Windows 2000 and above (schema V30/V31+). XP Pro's don't qualify, unless you count it when running Virtual PC 2007 and a guest OS of Server 200x. Signature/kj On Sep 2, 6:08 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote: > compsos...@gmail.com wrote: > >> You asked for 'best method', that's what you got. [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What about a 2003 Terminal Server on the SBS2000 domain? Also, is "Swing It" based on using the Virtual environment or does it matter? > On Sep 2, 6:08 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > What about a 2003 Terminal Server on the SBS2000 domain? Qualifies, but would break the TS and not a good thing to do. TempDC gets dumped from the domain in the end, so you'd end up with reconstruction work on your TS. - not a good choice. > Also, is "Swing It" based on using the Virtual environment or does it > matter? No, it can be virtual or physical. I prefeer Virtual for nuermouse reasons. A trial version of Server 2003 qualifies, and if you're quick about it, you don't even need to activate whatever you "use". Signature/kj On Sep 2, 6:31 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote: > compsos...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sep 2, 6:08 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ok, I have a Windows 2003 Server installed/activated on my laptop running Virtual PC 2004. However I have it setup for a test virtual domain already that I can break, or do I have to reinstall the 2003 fresh on the Virtual PC? I probably wouldn't. I'd probably make a copy of the VM, DCPromo it down, destroying the 'test' AD on the copy, then join it to the SBS 2000 domain and DCPromo it as TempDC. Mind you, if you really don't care about retaining the test AD you really don't need to do this. <snip> Ok, I have a Windows 2003 Server installed/activated on my laptop running Virtual PC 2004. However I have it setup for a test virtual domain already that I can break, or do I have to reinstall the 2003 fresh on the Virtual PC? > On Sep 2, 6:31 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > domain already that I can break, or do I have to reinstall the 2003 > fresh on the Virtual PC? You don't *have* to. You could demote and repromote to a tempdc in the SBS domain. I'd be inclined to create a completly new and fresh VPC instance (after upgrading to VPC 2007) and go from there. Signature/kj You have to join it to your existing domain. The one you're trying to migrate. As everyone here has said, Swing Migration is far and away the easiest and most efficient way to do what you're trying to do. I've written about using the ADMT method, and it is just fine. If you don't mind having to reconfigure every single workstation in your domain. And having everything changed. And having all your email and public folders disrupted. The beauty of Swing is that you can do it on your own time, at your own pace. And if there are any problems at all, you can always press the "undo" button and start over. With no risk to your existing domain, since you haven't done anything to it yet. When you finally do the cross-over, it's an easy and fairly quick task that you're already confident will work. And when your users come in to the office the next day, they'll never even know you did it. SignatureCharlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel On Sep 2, 6:31 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote: > compsos...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sep 2, 6:08 pm, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ok, I have a Windows 2003 Server installed/activated on my laptop running Virtual PC 2004. However I have it setup for a test virtual domain already that I can break, or do I have to reinstall the 2003 fresh on the Virtual PC? > Yes, the swing method is your best bet. The big advantage of swing (one of > it's primary aims) is that you can migrate the AD to the new server while [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Will Swing It work without DHCP?? We use (2) NICs and plan on doing so with SBS2003 EVERY SBS I implemented prior to May 2008 has 2 NICs, and every one assigns _ALL_ IPs (even those of printers or additional servers which always get assigned the same IP) by DHCP from SBS. Why do you think having 2 NICs would change this? On Sep 2, 4:16 pm, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote: > Yes, the swing method is your best bet. The big advantage of swing (one of > it's primary aims) is that you can migrate the AD to the new server while [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Will Swing It work without DHCP?? We use (2) NICs and plan on doing so with SBS2003 You've really answered your own question. Jeff Middleton with SBSmigration is the easist. Russ SignatureRussell Grover - SBITS.Biz Microsoft Gold Certified Partner Microsoft Small Business Specialist World Wide Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz > We are getting a new SBS2003 R2 Dell Server with preconfigured RAID 1 > for OS and RAID 5 for rest. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks On Sep 2, 4:18 pm, "Russ \(www.SBITS.Biz\)" <supp...@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote: > You've really answered your own question. > Jeff Middleton with SBSmigration is the easist. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Any videos for our scenario available??? >On Sep 2, 4:18 pm, "Russ \(www.SBITS.Biz\)" ><supp...@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Any videos for our scenario available??? If you want to fly to Atlanta you can take a video of me doing one. Not very interesting watching me type commands at a dos prompt. I guess but I am not sure what did you did before swing. You spent a lot of time doing stuff under pressure vs. at leisure with Swing. See what SBS support is working on http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx |
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