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Dave - 04 Oct 2008 23:26 GMT
I haven't been paying too much attention to my smtp service until
recently... i have started to see lots of apparent probes with random user
names at my domain.  these i assume send out a failure message for an
unknown user.  Is it possible, or even advisable, to not send a bounce
message?  or would that make the spammers think there really was a mailbox
by that name and they would keep sending??  i hate to be the source of
bounce messages if the from address is forged, is there a better way to
prevent this??  maybe enable rdns lookup of incoming messages?
Sanford Whiteman - 05 Oct 2008 01:38 GMT
> I  haven't  been  paying too much attention to my smtp service until
> recently...  i  have  started  to  see  lots of apparent probes with
> random  user  names  at my domain. these i assume send out a failure
> message  for  an unknown user.

That  means  that you are a backscatterer, and this can itself get you
blacklisted in some quarters.

It's  frankly  unacceptable  in  2008 to run a mailserver that accepts
mail  for  unknown  recipients.  This might have been okay through the
early  2000s,  but it is a worst practice today. So never mind what to
do  with  the  resultant bounce; you need to reject during the initial
SMTP convo so that there is no bounce whatsoever.

What version of IIS are you running?

--Sandy

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Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Dave - 05 Oct 2008 12:01 GMT
>> I  haven't  been  paying too much attention to my smtp service until
>> recently...  i  have  started  to  see  lots of apparent probes with
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>
> What version of IIS are you running?

this is on server 2003 standard with sp2.
Dave - 05 Oct 2008 12:31 GMT
>> I  haven't  been  paying too much attention to my smtp service until
>> recently...  i  have  started  to  see  lots of apparent probes with
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>
> What version of IIS are you running?

It may not be quite as bad as i first thought, i saw lots of mail in the
badmail directory, but comparing that to outgoing connections in the smtp
log shows only a few of them actually generated bounce messages.  it looks
like i am getting bounces because my domain is being used as the sender, am
i right that iis/smtp service is smart enough not to generate a bounce when
it receives a bounce like that??

note that i set this server up just to receive my mail, i don't use it for
outgoing mail at all because its on a dsl line (with static ip), but many
receipients reject it anyway.  I have some regular incoming emails that are
rather large and i don't want the isp mail server to back up with them so i
just have them forwarded direct to my server instead, this works just fine.
i do have relaying set up to only pass addresses on my lan, so i'm pretty
sure its not relaying anything at least.
Sanford Whiteman - 05 Oct 2008 20:12 GMT
> It  may  not be quite as bad as i first thought, i saw lots of mail
> in the
> badmail directory, but comparing that to outgoing connections in the smtp
> log shows only a few of them actually generated bounce messages.

Badmail   records   double-bounces:   messages   whose  recipient  was
nonexistent   or   otherwise   undeliverable,  AND  whose  sender  was
nonexistent or otherwise undeliverable. Since a bounce message was not
successfully accepted for delivery, the message content is archived.

So  you are greatly underestimating the problem if based solely on the
#  of  messages in Badmail. Backscatter consists of both _successfully
transmitted_  bounces  from  your  server in response to incoming spam
(bounces  successfully accepted for users whose address was spoofed to
send  spam),  and  _attempted_  bounces  that  were  not  accepted for
whatever   reason  (when  the  sender  address+domain  was  completely
randomized  and  nonexistent, when the domain existed but not the full
address,  or  when  the  sender  address was legit but the sender's MX
heuristically  detected  that your bounce was backscatter and rejected
it  at  the  envelope).  The  latter  case will end up in Badmail. The
former will not, by definition.

> it
> looks
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> when
> it receives a bounce like that??

I  think  you're confusing two different sides of the battle. Incoming
bounces don't result in additional bounces generated by your server.

Spammers may use your domain as the sender, which results in you being
the _victim_ of backscatter.

Or  spammers  may use another domain as the sender and send to unknown
users  at  your  domain;  if you accept these messages and bounce them
afterward  (instead  of  rejecting them at the envelope), then you are
the  _creator_  of  backscatter  --  the victim being the impersonated
sender domain.

> note that i set this server up just to receive my mail, i don't use it
> for
> outgoing mail at all because its on a dsl line (with static ip), but many
> receipients reject it anyway.

This sentence really doesn't add up. If you "don't use it for outgoing
mail at all", then who are the "recipients" who "reject it anyway"?

> I have some regular incoming emails that
> are
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> i do have relaying set up to only pass addresses on my lan, so i'm pretty
> sure its not relaying anything at least.

I agree that you are not relaying. But plenty of damage can be wreaked
without relaying.

--Sandy

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Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
------------------------------------
Dave - 05 Oct 2008 22:17 GMT
>> It  may  not be quite as bad as i first thought, i saw lots of mail
>> in the
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> Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
> ------------------------------------

ok, so what can i do to prevent whatever is bogus from bothering other
servers?  i don't care if my server looks like a black hole for junk mail
coming in, but how do i do that with server 2003?
Sanford Whiteman - 06 Oct 2008 01:06 GMT
> ok, so what can i do to prevent whatever is bogus from bothering other
> servers?  i don't care if my server looks like a black hole for junk mail
> coming in, but how do i do that with server 2003?

If  by "whatever is bogus" you mean "whatever was addressed to unknown
recipients",  then  you  can  write  a  quite  simple  SMTP event sink
VBScript  to  just  delete  anything  that  wasn't  addressed to valid
recipients  on  your  mailbox  server.  You could export and store the
valid  recipient  list in a text file and have the event sink read the
list from there.

However,  you  must  note  that in using this method, you definitively
prevent legit senders who simply _mistyped_ the recipient address from
getting any notification. In most companies, that is unacceptable; you
may have the kind of special case in which that's fine.

--Sandy

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Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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