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Lehr - 13 Feb 2008 23:21 GMT
We have 3 locations, 3 AD sites, internet connectivity for all users goes
through one internet link in one site.
Is it possible for all inbounf mail flow from the internet to go through one
HUB server? and then that HUB servers forwards mail to other HUB servers
depending on recipient's location of mailbox?

Tnx!
Bharat Suneja [MVP] - 13 Feb 2008 23:28 GMT
Yes, and that's the typical implementation (inbound to one location). Some
Orgs like to leverage their multiple points of presence/internet
connectivity and add additional MX records to point to additional locations.
This ensures that in case of internet outage at one site, or a site outage,
the rest of the Org continues to receive/send internet mail.

Deploying an Edge Transort server (or other non-Exchange MTA) to route mail
to/from the intenet is always recommended and certainly more secure, but
many organizations do receive inbound on their Hub Transport servers as
well. Once the message makes it to Exchange, it can determine which
server/Site the recipient is in and routes it to the Hub Transport server(s)
in the destination.
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> We have 3 locations, 3 AD sites, internet connectivity for all users goes
> through one internet link in one site.
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> Tnx!
Lehr - 14 Feb 2008 07:18 GMT
> Yes, and that's the typical implementation (inbound to one location). Some
> Orgs like to leverage their multiple points of presence/internet
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> server/Site the recipient is in and routes it to the Hub Transport server(s)
> in the destination.

Thank you Bharat! :)
Lehr - 14 Feb 2008 07:50 GMT
> Yes, and that's the typical implementation (inbound to one location). Some
> Orgs like to leverage their multiple points of presence/internet
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> server/Site the recipient is in and routes it to the Hub Transport server(s)
> in the destination.

Just one more dilema..
To provide HA, is it possible to put two HUB's in NLB cluster and inbound
mail flow will be directed to CNAME(IP) of that NLB.
Is it going to work?
Bharat Suneja [MVP] - 14 Feb 2008 16:14 GMT
Why not use multiple MX records instead?
NLB will work, though.

Deployment Options for Hub Transport Servers
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124398(EXCHG.80).aspx
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>> Yes, and that's the typical implementation (inbound to one location).
>> Some
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> mail flow will be directed to CNAME(IP) of that NLB.
> Is it going to work?
Lehr - 14 Feb 2008 16:33 GMT
> Why not use multiple MX records instead?
> NLB will work, though.

Hm...but our hub's are located in LAN, and all mail from internet can be
forwarder from firewall to one internal IP located on LAN. So I thought that
NLB would be HA solution.
I don't understand that with multiple MX records. It makes sence when hubs
have internet IP's, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong...
Bharat Suneja [MVP] - 14 Feb 2008 17:36 GMT
You're right - if you have a single IP address available.... you can use NLB
and publish the NLB IP address.

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>> Why not use multiple MX records instead?
>> NLB will work, though.
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>
> Correct me if I'm wrong...
Bernle Jesper - 14 Feb 2008 20:31 GMT
Hi Bharat!

I was under the impression that High Availabillity for Hub Transport
Servers, HT, is provided by Active Directory and also if Hub Transport and
Client Access Server, CAS, is colocated on the same server and you load
balance CAS you should disable NLB for HT (port 25 - SMTP).

So, you say I can NLB both CAS and HT?

Jesper Bernle | Enterprise Messaging Administrator

> You're right - if you have a single IP address available.... you can use
> NLB and publish the NLB IP address.
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>> Correct me if I'm wrong...
Lehr - 14 Feb 2008 22:36 GMT
The way I look...
NLB in this case would be HA option for iternet inbound mail flow when you
have no Edge servers, and all incoming mail is forwarded through firewall to
one local IP...so to provide HA for hubs, NLB is solution

HUB HA for outbound is provided by Active Directory.

right?

> Hi Bharat!
>
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> Jesper Bernle | Enterprise Messaging Administrator
Bharat Suneja [MVP] - 14 Feb 2008 22:57 GMT
True - as Lehr stated. You shouldn't use NLB for internal mail delivery -
the doc link I posted earlier covers that. As of SP1 (iirc), you can use NLB
to load-balance mail delivery as you intend to do.

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> The way I look...
> NLB in this case would be HA option for iternet inbound mail flow when you
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>> Jesper Bernle | Enterprise Messaging Administrator
Bernle Jesper - 15 Feb 2008 13:11 GMT
Okay. Good to know. :-)

Jesper Bernle | Enterprise Messaging Administrator

> True - as Lehr stated. You shouldn't use NLB for internal mail delivery -
> the doc link I posted earlier covers that. As of SP1 (iirc), you can use
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>>> Jesper Bernle | Enterprise Messaging Administrator
 
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