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Exchange 2007 CCR on DAS - Cluster Validation

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shanediaz - 21 Jul 2008 21:12 GMT
Good Afternoon,

We are in the process of implementing Exchange 2007 (on Server 2008
Enterprise OS).  After some research, we've decided to cluster our 2 mailbox
servers using CCR with the data and logs stored on direct attached storage
(DAS), as per the technote linked below:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc500980.aspx

There will be 2 clustered mailbox servers, each with it's own direct
attached storage.  The passive node will be kept in sync via CCR's
transaction log shipping.  When we vaildate this cluster, it passes except
that it gives us some warnings regarding storage, since there isn't any
"shared" storage per se.  This is expected since there really isn't any
"shared" storage, but rather each server has it's own storage, and the
transaction log shipping keeps them in sync.

My concern is that in a Windows Server 2008 Failover Clustering Architecture
Overview document, it states

"When you run a validate, some tests may not pass, but clustering may still
install and function.  For example, not conforming to a cluster configuration
best practice (such as having only one network interface card) will raise a
warning rather than an error, but the cluster would function.  However,
passing Validate is the standard for support for clusters in Windows Server
2008.  If a cluster does not pass Validate, it is not supported by Microsoft."

Does this mean that even though we are using a configuration that is
supported (and even used!) by Microsoft, we won't be able to get support
because of the storage warnings that occur when we validate the cluster?

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

-Shane Diaz
Michael Dragone - 21 Jul 2008 21:48 GMT
You can ignore those warnings and still obtain support. CCR wouldn't make
any sense otherwsie.

> Good Afternoon,
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Oliver Moazzezi [MVP] - 21 Jul 2008 23:22 GMT
It is fine to continue when using CCR with this warning.

Oliver
Scott Schnoll [MSFT] - 22 Jul 2008 03:40 GMT
See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb629714(EXCHG.80).aspx for
documentation on this.

Hope this helps.

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shanediaz - 22 Jul 2008 14:16 GMT
Thanks for the link Scott.  We did follow those steps when building up the
cluster, I just wanted to confirm that it would be supported despite those
warnings during Validate.  I appreciate everyone's responses.

-Shane

> See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb629714(EXCHG.80).aspx for
> documentation on this.
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Scott Schnoll [MSFT] - 22 Jul 2008 16:50 GMT
That topic also says you can safely ignore the warning.  :-)
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> Thanks for the link Scott.  We did follow those steps when building up the
> cluster, I just wanted to confirm that it would be supported despite those
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shanediaz - 22 Jul 2008 17:26 GMT
Wow, how did I miss this part!?!?!

The four groups of tests are: Inventory, Network, Storage, and System
Configuration. Because CCR does not use shared storage, there is no need to
run the Storage group of tests. If you run the Storage group of tests against
a failover cluster that does not have any clustered storage resources, such
as a failover cluster designed for CCR, the Storage group of tests will fail.
All failures of the Storage group of tests can be safely ignored because the
lack of shared storage is expected for a failover cluster designed for CCR.

Thanks again for the help Scott!

-Shane

> That topic also says you can safely ignore the warning.  :-)
> > Thanks for the link Scott.  We did follow those steps when building up the
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sir - 22 Oct 2008 15:38 GMT
HI,

sorry for the ignorance in asking this question, basically what you are
telling me is that the warning I receive about it not able to find disks for
clustering is due to the fact that in CCR this is not needed?
so in other words it's normal that i cannot add disks in the storage part of
the cluster management tool.

I have the habit (not doing on purpose) not to be clear in writing and
perhaps if you'd like to understand my question better, I have posted
something on experts-exchange detailing my question:

I would really appreciate if you could verify this again please in my
language:)

For my Exchange 2007 installation I have chosen for a CCR implementation for
the mailbox role using the following hardware.

BL460 in conjunction with a SAN (Active node)
and
DL380 G5 with MSA60 (Passive node)

Whilst running the cluster validation tool it comes up with the following
error for disks located on the passive node.

Disk bus type does not support Clustering.

For the smart array controller P400 I understand that it's using the disks
on the DL380 which is not supported by windows 2008for clustering. (Not true,
i found out later)
However the disks on the MSA60 using the smart array controller p600 are
also providing the same warning message.

Now I know there is a solution called Starwind which can resolve the issue
for the cluster to think that the internal sortage is connected via ISCSI.
Perhaps this would also work for the MSA60, however is there no other
possibility to solve this as I really don't want to install third party
software to help cluster Exchange?

> Wow, how did I miss this part!?!?!
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Ed Crowley [MVP] - 26 Oct 2008 05:26 GMT
For CCR you have dedicated non-clustered storage for the Exchange databases
and logs, so there is no disk resource required for them.  The preferred
method of providing the quorum is a file share witness, which is a file
share point on another server, generally recommended to be the hub transport
server (although I prefer to use the public folder server if you have a
dedicated one of those), therefore no shared disk is required for the quorum
either.
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> HI,
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Ed Crowley [MVP] - 26 Oct 2008 05:26 GMT
Let me add that if you were doing backups to disk, you might want a
clustered disk resource for that purpose.
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